Disclaimer: All material presented in this post are my own personal opinion. I don't intend to hurt or please anybody. I aint have any relation or affiliation towards any organization.
Another political post though I didn’t wish to come up with one so early but I am forced to. The recent act of hooliganism in Mangalore on the eve of Republic day forced me to flash some light on the ground realities. In our culture ever since the ancient Vedic periods we have always had respect for women and her status. Even the devilish Ravan didn’t dare to touch Sita without her consent. But on the eve of celebrations of the Indian republic, on the eve of upholding the rights and duties of every men and women, it truly was saddening to see such a horrifying act of vandalizing our culture by targeting women by the so called protectors of our ‘culture’(ironical)Shriram Sena(better of as Ravan Sena). We have seen this news breaking our TV sets continuously as if Indo-Pak war broke out! This has led to the worldwide discussions regarding the moral policing and its effects. What I intend to scribble here is, were those molested girls “sacha!!?”
Since I hail from Mangalore, we have come across a lot of ground realities. It’s said that girls were allegedly heavily doped and were not able to stand on their feet and the pub was no different from a cabaret. Now, is this what the morality we are speaking about? News channels are making a huge fuss out of the incident regarding the moral policing by the hooligans and branding them as Indian version of Taliban? But why are they not covering the act of immorality, the act of having drugs, the act of dancing nude? Are we living in Vegas? We all complained about the violations of personal rights/human rights when girls were molested. We all wondered whether Ram Sena goonda’s had any affiliation/affection to their mothers and sisters. But, but at the same time did we wonder the case of doped girls? Why are we not criticizing the violations of the fundamental duties by these doped girls? On any day be it after 50 or 100 springs down the line, I don’t want my kids/sisters to booze, fag or dope. Where on the earth its given doping is good, promiscuity is legal and bashing the dopers and whores are bad? Indian media and human right activists are all in full throttle whining in the name of violation of human rights. But who the shit are these activists to whine? What do they mean by human rights? Where the hell were they lost when hundreds of our innocent sisters and girls were raped in Nandigram, Assam and Kashmir?
Human rights shouldn't be meant only for the elites or some sections of the society and religion. What Ram Sena did was utter shameful, they were just seeking attention as pure attention mongers, they neither had any purpose nor did they serve any purpose by vandalizing the pub. Moral policing doesn’t mean they can hit/smash anybody who walks against their ‘culture’ and also on the contrary, personal freedom doesn’t mean you have the right to roam nude and get doped and expect world not to take a note of it. On a finishing note, I being a responsible citizen, criticize both the acts, neither of them were “sacha”. Hope these acts wont REPEAT....:)
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Do I remember this well Bharath??? Long ago, may be we were then in the HighSchools, u were telling me abt this some arguement u heard somewhere abt 'culture', abt how dynamic a concept it is, abt how we shud nt let the culture stagnate n breed mosquitoes, abt how an amalgam of cultures can lead us to better places and how we never stop jabbering abt our culture being 'superior' all the while when the reality is that we donot have anything else to brag about..
Even a month or so ago, we were discussing how right it is to engage in premarital sexual affairs.. And I am goin to tell u exactly the same thing I that dat tried telling u on SMS..
Who decides if a particular behaviour is right or wrong? Who draws a line where to stop? Who determines what is virtuous and what is not?
All the girls in the pub(Clad+unclad) were certainly educated n knew more abt the drugs they were on more than the Shri Ram Sena ( I feel so bad writing this) hooligans did.. And it doesnt look from any angle that the pub mgmt or the guests or the pub staff or anyone had any problem with any of that (nudity or drugs or cabaret) When thats the case how can u call all that wrong?
I know this wud nt go well with you when I say this, but Bharath not everything we disklike, not everything we dont want our sisters and daughters to become are wrong.. They girls there have chosen to get doped on their own, to undress on their own n to 'act against the indian culture' on their own. And I have always believed, if u dont hurt someone n know very well abt what u are doin, u cant do anything wrong..
And abt promiscuity and slu*ing around are concerned, let ppl chose what they want.. If someone is more interested in a western way of life style, if one fantasises abt the Vegas, let him chose that.. Noone seem to have any problem abt the westerns encroaching Indian culture through iskcon or other organizations then why wud we have prob if our men want to adapt that life style? Not all of us are looking for the same thing n not all of us want the life to be dicated by the vedas.. And onceagain,bro, I wud like to tell, not everything we dislike is wrong n lets pls stop considering our culture as the only supreme culture with substance n the rest of them all hollow..
There were too many typos.. PLs excuse them all.. :-)
Hi, I am just commenting my opinion and am v excited bout this cos this is the first ever comment I am posting and hence I might have penned a lot !!
I just wanna comment on some arguments in the previous comments!
“we never stop jabbering abt our culture being 'superior' all the while when the reality is that we donot have anything else to brag about..”
Yeah, its true that many ppl just blindly blabber our culture being ‘superior’ without any reasonable argument, reason may be cos its just a pride inside themselves which thrives them to think its ‘superior’ after being a part of it in their whole life which is ofcourse wrong in the sense that they really have not balanced it and analysed it with the other cultures. But the statement “we donot have anything else to brag about” is quite surprising cos there are so many literatures about our culture and u can spend ur whole life studying it and still being able to understand only less than half of its content and reasons and not willing to do this should not prompt them to say they don have anything to brag about cos even an illiterate old man wont be having anything to brag about differential calculas and the cosmic rays and it doesn’t suffices him to say its not worth discussing and bragging!!
“They girls there have chosen to get doped on their own, to undress on their own n to 'act against the indian culture' on their own. And I have always believed, if u dont hurt someone n know very well abt what u are doin, u cant do anything wrong.. “
Ok.. now the question is how do u know that u understand completely as to wat u r doin? I think the “knowledge is relative”!!!. Just cos gals know dopin is something which doesn’t kill u instantly doesn’t mean they understand the repercussion fully.A doctor may see it in different perspective than a coach sees the doping and the athlete may see it even differently.So who decides u know properly about something when there is somuch interconnections?
Eg: a matured child may think he knows the stuffs and do as he likes but it’s the responsibility of the parents who draws the line as to wat he can and cant do and as far as the child is concerned, “ he knows wat he is doing” but there is always deeper and more complicated things behind seemingly obvious things which we miss out and still being unaware of being missed it out and hence assume we know it!!!
There cannot exist 2 seemingly opposite culture in harmony and so, when u follow a culture, u imperatively hurt ppl following other one.
When we are leaving in a society we inherently are indebted to it for all the facilities and resources it provides us to lead a smooth happy life. So if we are in system, be a part of that system when it has binded successfully all our ancestors together and paved way to lead and live with example.
“Noone seem to have any problem abt the westerns encroaching Indian culture through iskcon or other organizations then why wud we have prob if our men want to adapt that life style?”
Yes. It pretty obvious as to we shouldn’t have a problem with anyone following our culture in our country. For wat possible reason should we oppose someone who is following our culture in our land??
“If someone is more interested in a western way of life style, if one fantasises abt the Vegas, let him chose that..”
Go to vegas and choose to live with it cos as u told “I have always believed, if u dont hurt someone….” But wat makes u think tat gals goin and dancing naked etc wont hurt anyone. ? that’s wat I meant tat there cant exist 2 opposite cultures living in harmony cos the basis on which their fundamental beliefs are built upon are totally different.
And being in India we have the right to follow it!.
“Who decides if a particular behaviour is right or wrong? Who draws a line where to stop? Who determines what is virtuous and what is not?”
I don’t have a answer to it. But it doesn’t give anyone the right to go ahead and do wat he likes cos there is no line drawn and neither does this give anyone the right to go ahead and protest thinking he has drawn the line and everyone is bound to follow it.
Pub [western] culture and Hindu [Indian] culture clash..??
Just get out of the city, in rural parts women do indulge in all sorts of intoxication, along with men, just that its not in a licensed PUB and its not easily accessible to these culture controlling groups. They are not influenced by any westernization.
In case [I don't know if] you as a guy, drink or smoke. Why should it be any different to a woman who is also a human being.
Women were still struggling to think about wearing denims or shirts, when men had already saturated in it. Now a day may arise when these so called culture correctors may start disrobing women in public in name of culture. I guess, you will remain neutral condemning both sides.
Going forward may be women will be subjected to Sati back again; because its in the Scriptures. And "may be" people like you will defend in its terms.
Your view at places seem so male chauvinistic at "It’s said that girls were allegedly heavily doped and were not able to stand on their feet and the pub was no different from a cabaret. Now, is this what the morality we are speaking about?". Does'nt morality apply if it were guys.
Don't guys need to protect and uphold culture equally. Patriarchal Society, wants all the freedom for men.
At "were those molested girls “sacha!!?”.... ..neither of them were “sacha”" ,What a pity, I did see a male chauvinist in the making then... :(
And yet you painted yourself a neutral image like a politician.
I can only ponder about it,
I cant take away your freedom of expression, u see.
Devoid of the gender of a person,
Every one has a right to live lives on their own. And decide good or bad for themselves, as long as it does not threaten another individuals well being.
Well guys, I guess Pradeep has given a good reply on my behalf. Though,I would like to clarify some stuffs.
I have never supported the act of vandalism by the goonda elements by the so called protectors of our culture.I criticize their shameless acts tenfold more than the acts of molested girls.They have no rights to be the moral cops of our nation.
@fabulist
There is no case of male or female chauvinism. Its about of a human being doping,undressing and boozing in an open society. So there isn't a case of gender bias.No culture would ever support the act of doping or do they? And you quoted "Doesn't morality apply if it were guys", Yes of course it applies, who denied that fact?All dopers are against the society and culture irrespective of their gender.And thank god we aren't yet into gigolo culture, may be then you can find morality associated with men being thrown by the media.
And regarding all sorts of intoxication in villages.Yes its taking place behind the closed bars and difficult to decipher.Always all behind the screen stuffs are mysterious mate.I am speaking about the social places like motels,pubs or discotheques, supposedly the the 2nd home of our youth!What if this continues,what if all our youth gets wasted by narco-addiction? What kind of amalgamated culture are we talking about? All dope hit youngsters floating in their mysterious dream world without the sense of happenings around??? Is it?
The culture I was talking to abt was inclusive of scriptures and I definitely am not a scholar with the scriptures but aint illiterate either :P The point I was trying to make was the superiority we claim doesnt have a basis.. How can we conclude that having a library full of scriptures will make our culture superior to the others.. Infact, I dont believe in comparing cultures at all There is no one inferior to nyone.. Each one has to be proud abt his culture, calling others' culture not worth following is not any type of pride..!
Just cos gals know dopin is something which doesn’t kill u instantly doesn’t mean they understand the repercussion fully - Are u trying to tell me that the mob that 'molested' (if I may use that word) those women there did that because doping is injurious to health? :-)
A doctor may see it in different perspective than a coach sees the doping and the athlete may see it even differently.So who decides u know properly about something when there is somuch interconnections? - And thats exactly what I am trying to say.. Who is to judge what is right n what is wrong? Whom am I to say the gals were erronous?
it’s the responsibility of the parents who draws the line as to wat he can and cant do and as far as the child is concerned - Totally unacceptable! Who is parenting whom here.. This is EXACTLY what is called as Moral Policing.. The Shri Ram Sena is noone to say these females dont dope, most certainly in not the way they chose to..
There cannot exist 2 seemingly opposite culture in harmony and so, when u follow a culture, u imperatively hurt ppl following other one. - U might have a point there. But does that impy I impose on ppl what I think is right? Do I follow something even if that smothers me to death?
When we are leaving in a society we inherently are indebted to it for all the facilities and resources it provides us to lead a smooth happy life. So if we are in system, be a part of that system when it has binded successfully all our ancestors together and paved way to lead and live with example - The african cannibalistic tribes have also survived.. :-) "Aasamantaat charateti acharaha" The culture is never what was written in the books.. The culture is what u follow..
“I have always believed, if u dont hurt someone….” But wat makes u think tat gals goin and dancing naked etc wont hurt anyone. ? that’s wat I meant tat there cant exist 2 opposite cultures living in harmony cos the basis on which their fundamental beliefs are built upon are totally different - But I onceagain ask, do I have a right to ask ppl not to live their life..? The gals molested will give u back the same arguement :-). I know its difficult to draw a line, very difficult but the solution u suggest is not acceptable..
And being in India we have the right to follow it! - Whateva makes u think being in India means a woman has to live all her life between the 4 walls, clad in a saree enuf to clad half a dozen ppl, with atleast half a kilo kumkum on her forehead n a truck full of flowers on her oil slick hair.. I ask, is this the real India? Imposing on ppl what I want to see? I dont understand where ppl draw conclusions from that this is exactly how Indian culture will be n shall be..!
But it doesn’t give anyone the right to go ahead and do wat he likes cos there is no line drawn - Is nt this in exact sense what u did just now?
I am someone who has a lot of respect abt our scriptures.. Who has always been too amazed with the Mahabharath.. I AM proud abt our Nation too.. Bharath, I am sure knows this, if not anyone else.. But the very line of arguement I see here is far beyond even considering..
And @ Fabulist
So correct!
Here we talk abt Pub culture as the one as a threat to Indian culture.. But how many of us have realised that India has one of the highest number and highest percentage of HIV positives in the world.. And it goes without me saying that, infidelity n promiscuity is THE most important cause for it.. Here we have men claiming to protect the Indian culture who at the end of the day protect the women at their home by bringing them the deadlies of viruses. If someone i s so keen on reforming, get your men first stick to their wives than trying to get these few females stick to clothes..
And Sati is not in our scriptures (I made it a point to specifically mention this, to prove I am no illiterate abt our scriptues :P :P :P) There is only one instance in all so much of our sriptures abt the Sati system n that too was not with someone forcing the widow into the pire.. That was the case of Madri..
And I dont think its Chauvinistic.. I am certain he is more receptive to ideas than many.. Its jus a untoward n an erronous effect of improper understanding of our tradition, practices n 'culture'..
That was lenghty too..:P
I hope ppl have atleast enuf patience left(if not sanity) to read that :P :P
(Gawd, am I really this sarcastic in real :P )
First of all women need to be highly liberal in India to at all talk about Gigolo culture...You are fearing about something that is highly impossible in a place where a woman need to think twice before getting out of her own house. If at all such a situation arrives, there will be no question of morality being an issue because equality would have set in.
What happens in social places like pubs is also very much behind screens. Children are not allowed there, Families would not even think of such a place for a gathering, Youth, Friends and Business Colleagues take the stage. And yes, doping is not all that happens in pubs and not all the youth is getting carried away in this.
Intoxication has been instituted since History of Man...and is present in all cultures throughout the world, supported through religion most often [Hinduism see Soma Mandala]. Yet the whole world has progressed, and the cultures have been carried over by generations.
Its all in the choice of an individual and right use of free will. And these women did'nt even have that. They were Adults in a Legally run Pub. Checking narcotic activities is responsibility of Management and Police.
They may be making a wrong choice in indulging in narcotics, its their will. If they do it against the law of the land, then they are answerable accordingly to the designated people supposed to take care of such incidents.
It wont be long when people start forcing themselves into your homes and telling you what to do and what not to...to keep you in the society and its culture.
Entire debate has reached a bottleneck on whether the PUB culture hurts a society or not.Some of my friends here have quoted their thoughts assuming the fact that,until and unless "PUB culture" hurts anybody,its fine.
Doping in PUB doesn't end with a night spent in a PUB.Dope isn't a stuff which you can detach yourself once you are back home!It affects his/her life which is inclusive of the family.We are in a generation where smoking,doping,boozing has been fantasied by the movies/stars and is seen as a symbol of style,a sibling doping is bound to have severe repercussions on his peer. "promiscuity" too doesn't end with PUBS. It will continue on n on.
Fabulist is presuming equality if women begin to go out in search of gigolos.We are already sick of whores carrying HIV, now searching equality in women will mean almost entire India hit by AIDS.What kind of equality is this? More whores and gigolos worldwide?
And the owners/management of the PUBS will never check the flow of Narco and they don't have to. May be they'll provide it themselves:P Their goal is to earn paisa as much as possible never mention ethically or unethically.
And regarding the changes in culture and tradition,Yes its bound to happen.A wheel has to move forward. A river has to flow and it will wipe the mud with it wherever it flows.And we are all receptive to such changes. But the changes must be for good. I believe in "While in Rome be a Roman" and i believe almost every country in this world advocates it.
Respect other culture but follow your culture and if there is anything good in others, take it else chuck it.If you yourself abuse your house to be filthy, who else will respect it?
Bharat i am a hardcore hindutvavadi as u know.But your blog virtually endorses goondaism.Those girls are old enough to know what they are getting into.If they have strayed then their parents and friends are there for it.Who are this goondas to do it?if girls are drinking and fagging is wrong then it is the same for boys.Restrict them also,why only girls?
if we do not stop this hooliganism it will take away the very fabric of democracy.
@karthik
You dont seem to have neither the patience nor the sanity...
Sarcasm needs some amount of sanity...:P
@bharat
"now searching equality in women will mean almost entire India hit by AIDS"
You are a male chauvinist..!!!
Women need sexual freedom as much as men do, Men are equally responsible for all the happenings around as much as Women, including AIDS. "Whores and Gigolos" they are called sex workers for a change. Try working in an NGO and you will know the depth of such words.
No more comments from me further.
@ Vijeth Thats a call for equality. Agree with you.
@fabulist
You too don't seem to have neither the patience nor the sanity to listen to others' debates...
Your discussion goes as if Pak does terrorism so should India do terrorism, right? some females are involved in intoxication, so you being a "self acclaimed non-male chauvinist" insist for more and more gigolos("Sex Workers") to spread AIDS in the name of sexual freedom and pleasure. Right? Think of reducing both forms of intoxication and not increasing it in the name of individual freedom. Let both men and women find equal sexual freedom with their own counterparts and not with "sex workers".
@Vijeth
Where on earth I canvased for or suggested goondaism?I criticize , I criticize and I criticize with my soul out the horrifying act of Sriram Sena.I can repeat this a million times.I have no mercy for those goondas and rightly Muthalik is behind the bars.
And guys this isn't a gender debate for God sake. Its about a human being intoxicating and doping in some social places.Its about "moral policing".
hello bro,
I dont know about you.
I got your blog's link through raveesh's blog.
I agree on your post. Rights are meant not only for the high class people but for everyone.
But unfortunately the concept of 'right' comes only when high profile people are in trouble...
Anyways there is nothing for me to tell. You have described everything.
Nice to see...you have a maintained a very good blog. :)
@Suhas
I am extremely glad from your response bro:) Looking forward for more support from you guys.Nice meeting you Suhas,wish to see good blogs flowing from your side,Happy blogging:)
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